Cosmic Rabbit
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HOLY HELL PEOPLE

lovelypin:

yen-sama:

cosmicrabbit:

I usually don’t get involved with the arguments that MAKE UP this fandom but here I go.

To the people saying that the kiss was involved with rape culture and that it was creepy…I just completely disagree.

People complained about that damn kiss…

*sigh* I’m honestly tired of talking about this post.

If you guys would like to see my full counter argument on this matter, please check out sneferie’s profile and my responses to her.

HOLY HELL PEOPLE

hybridanafrost:

yen-sama:

cosmicrabbit:

I usually don’t get involved with the arguments that MAKE UP this fandom but here I go.

To the people saying that the kiss was involved with rape culture and that it was creepy…I just completely disagree.

People complained about that damn…

*sigh* I’m honestly tired of talking about this post.

If you guys would like to see my full counter argument on this matter, please check out sneferie’s profile and my responses to her.

EXACTLY 4 TUESDAYS FROM THIS VERY MINUTE WE WILL HAVE THIS…..

insidethevolt:

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….IN MOTION!!!!!!!!!!!

I REPEAT….. IN MOTION!!!!!!!!!!! MOVING!!!!! TALKING!!!!! MOANING!!!!! PELVIC THRUSTING!!!!! WHY ARE YOUR LIPS SO SCRUMPTIOUS MOTION!!!!!!

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HOLY HELL PEOPLE

sneferie:

cosmicrabbit:

sneferie:

cosmicrabbit:

sneferie:

cosmicrabbit:

I usually don’t get involved with the arguments that MAKE UP this fandom but here I go.

To the people saying that the kiss was involved with rape culture and that it was creepy…I just completely disagree.

People complained about that damn kiss when she was drunk in the original content and in…

Yeah this is ignorant, sorry. It doesn’t matter that she had a crush on him, that’s not consent to kissing. Ethically, legally, you CANNOT consent to something like that when you’re drunk or asleep. I don’t give a shit if it makes you sad or uncomfortable to admit that a scene in SM is rapey, but it fucking is.

I still love the show and the manga, but call a spade a spade. It was sexual assault. And you and other fans denying that is perpetuating rape culture and lying about what consent really means. Do you really want to be part of the reason women and girls don’t understand what consent means? Stop it, seriously.

It’s not that I am “sad and uncomfortable” to admit to something, but that I simply disagree with you. I am saying is that this was an innocent sign of affection from a character and people are turning it into something it’s not.

It’s great that in this case, the person (in this case, character) was ultimately not hurt by someone kissing her without her consent. But he still didn’t have her consent and you really shouldn’t be perpetuating the idea that that is ever okay. TV shows don’t exist in a vacuum, they’re a direct reflection of our values. So for you to downplay the importance of consent just because Usagi and Mamoru end up being a canon couple is shitty.

It’s a shame that you have so much anger with this topic that you feel compelled to insult people/name call and try to guilt others into silence.

I will admit that in my initial post I was reacting with my emotions, which may have allowed for the main purpose of my post to be lost. I believe that you misunderstood what I was trying to say.

I am aware of the definition of consent, both ethical and legal consent. But let’s be honest, a kiss has nothing to do with legal consent because we are not signing some official document that makes it ok to be kissed. Therefore, we are only discussing the ethical/moral obligation that one is supposed to receive consent before kissing someone. With that, I agree with you.

If a random person who I recently met started making out with me when I was sleeping, then, needless to say, I would be pissed. But that’s not what we are talking about.

I would like to make my opinion clear to you: I do not believe that, in the case of the Sailor Moon Crystal kiss, that it was an example of sexual assault or that the creators of the scene had some kind of rape motive. I do not. So, let me tell you why.

Mamoru did not have any malicious motive when kissing Usagi. He also did not make out with her, fondle her, or try to have sex with her. It was a very light kiss on the lips. If the kiss was on the cheek, I wonder if you would have been as offended?

Honestly, knowing Mamoru’s character, I do not think that the kiss had any sexual motive at all. I found the kiss to be one of pure love and affection, similar to how a father kisses his child goodnight. It was more of a thank you.

However, there will always be people who view certain things in a particular way. It depends on how they take it and reflect upon it.

Sometimes overreacting to something is just as bad as not defending something at all because when you overreact to something like this, when there has been plenty of signs that tell that this is not rape, then it makes any other arguments that are against some facet of a show or part of our culture or media less significant. When you raise red flags at every small little instance of something and cry wolf (rape) at anything and everything then nothing becomes important.

This is a show about fantasy life so it’s still about life and about problems that people deal with about romance, life and love. (Like you said, tv is not a vacuum.) So by saying that you shouldn’t have something like this in the show is just another way of political correctness and overly vocal censorship. The writers/artists had a vision for a human who was once a prince to kiss his lover from a past life – there was something subconscious about it, like a dream, which is further emphasized and symbolized by the fact that Usagi is sleeping/dreaming and furthermore is very much like her character. She daydreams and desires a beautiful romance. Also, dreams are a HUGE theme in sailor moon. (the whole fourth season with helios, Sailor Moon waking up after fighting Galaxia and wondering if it was a dream) So, it is fitting that these two characters; these lost lovers have a subconscious moment of love. It works artistically (for me at least as well as others).

In addition, touch is also a very big theme in sailor moon that is repeated again and again. It symbolizes strength. (Again, the tiara, defeating enemies in the manga while holding hands with Mamoru.)

I guess you also find the kiss in sleeping beauty also a part of rape culture?

You have to realize that viewers are not robots who will view this kiss scene and then compute that they now don’t know what consent is and what right vs. wrong is. That’s not how a human mind works. People can understand motives, morality, and relationships.

I doubt what I said will change your mind. That’s ok, since people will always have things that bother them. But, people who like the scene or who do not get offended by it are not rape apologists and are not defending rape in any form. I am a female feminist myself and consider myself on the side of love and justice. I personally have friends who have been victims of sexual assault and its absolutely tragic.

However, you brushed over the context and feelings that people, like me, can see from this scene/from the show and were very quick to instead call rape and state that I am trying to confuse women/girls on the meaning of consent and perpetuating rape culture.

No.

Having your opinion is fine, but taking this scene and oversensationalizing it and people who like it/don’t find a problem with it is, in my opinion, demeaning to other fans who are more intelligent then you make them out to be.

Thank you.

Wow. Point out where I ever called you a name in either of those posts. You’re acting like a baby and I’m 110% done with this absurdity. It figures that you can’t respond to what was a perfectly rational and calm argument without derailing about “omg ur so angry” and “stop calling me names!!” I said what you’re doing is shitty because it is. That isn’t name-calling. I didn’t call you anything, I questioned your actions and opinions. If you can’t deal with that, then don’t post your ignorant opinions on the internet.

All I did was point out that what he did is LEGALLY DEFINED AS SEXUAL ASSAULT and that there’s something to be said for that. You can say you’re okay with it all you want but if you deny that it is, in fact, sexual assault, then you. Are. Wrong. Period.

Feel however YOU want about it. But if you expect everyone to be okay with normalized depictions of a character being sexually assaulted, you’re being shitty and you need to stop.

Lol Mission accomplished. Thanks for the laughs

HOLY HELL PEOPLE

sneferie:

cosmicrabbit:

sneferie:

cosmicrabbit:

I usually don’t get involved with the arguments that MAKE UP this fandom but here I go.

To the people saying that the kiss was involved with rape culture and that it was creepy…I just completely disagree.

People complained about that damn kiss when she was drunk in the original content and in…

Yeah this is ignorant, sorry. It doesn’t matter that she had a crush on him, that’s not consent to kissing. Ethically, legally, you CANNOT consent to something like that when you’re drunk or asleep. I don’t give a shit if it makes you sad or uncomfortable to admit that a scene in SM is rapey, but it fucking is.

I still love the show and the manga, but call a spade a spade. It was sexual assault. And you and other fans denying that is perpetuating rape culture and lying about what consent really means. Do you really want to be part of the reason women and girls don’t understand what consent means? Stop it, seriously.

It’s not that I am “sad and uncomfortable” to admit to something, but that I simply disagree with you. I am saying is that this was an innocent sign of affection from a character and people are turning it into something it’s not.

It’s great that in this case, the person (in this case, character) was ultimately not hurt by someone kissing her without her consent. But he still didn’t have her consent and you really shouldn’t be perpetuating the idea that that is ever okay. TV shows don’t exist in a vacuum, they’re a direct reflection of our values. So for you to downplay the importance of consent just because Usagi and Mamoru end up being a canon couple is shitty.

It’s a shame that you have so much anger with this topic that you feel compelled to insult people/name call and try to guilt others into silence.

I will admit that in my initial post I was reacting with my emotions, which may have allowed for the main purpose of my post to be lost. I believe that you misunderstood what I was trying to say.

I am aware of the definition of consent, both ethical and legal consent. But let’s be honest, a kiss has nothing to do with legal consent because we are not signing some official document that makes it ok to be kissed. Therefore, we are only discussing the ethical/moral obligation that one is supposed to receive consent before kissing someone. With that, I agree with you.

If a random person who I recently met started making out with me when I was sleeping, then, needless to say, I would be pissed. But that’s not what we are talking about.

I would like to make my opinion clear to you: I do not believe that, in the case of the Sailor Moon Crystal kiss, that it was an example of sexual assault or that the creators of the scene had some kind of rape motive. I do not. So, let me tell you why.

Mamoru did not have any malicious motive when kissing Usagi. He also did not make out with her, fondle her, or try to have sex with her. It was a very light kiss on the lips. If the kiss was on the cheek, I wonder if you would have been as offended?

Honestly, knowing Mamoru’s character, I do not think that the kiss had any sexual motive at all. I found the kiss to be one of pure love and affection, similar to how a father kisses his child goodnight. It was more of a thank you.

However, there will always be people who view certain things in a particular way. It depends on how they take it and reflect upon it.

Sometimes overreacting to something is just as bad as not defending something at all because when you overreact to something like this, when there has been plenty of signs that tell that this is not rape, then it makes any other arguments that are against some facet of a show or part of our culture or media less significant. When you raise red flags at every small little instance of something and cry wolf (rape) at anything and everything then nothing becomes important.

This is a show about fantasy life so it’s still about life and about problems that people deal with about romance, life and love. (Like you said, tv is not a vacuum.) So by saying that you shouldn’t have something like this in the show is just another way of political correctness and overly vocal censorship. The writers/artists had a vision for a human who was once a prince to kiss his lover from a past life – there was something subconscious about it, like a dream, which is further emphasized and symbolized by the fact that Usagi is sleeping/dreaming and furthermore is very much like her character. She daydreams and desires a beautiful romance. Also, dreams are a HUGE theme in sailor moon. (the whole fourth season with helios, Sailor Moon waking up after fighting Galaxia and wondering if it was a dream) So, it is fitting that these two characters; these lost lovers have a subconscious moment of love. It works artistically (for me at least as well as others).

In addition, touch is also a very big theme in sailor moon that is repeated again and again. It symbolizes strength. (Again, the tiara, defeating enemies in the manga while holding hands with Mamoru.)

I guess you also find the kiss in sleeping beauty also a part of rape culture?

You have to realize that viewers are not robots who will view this kiss scene and then compute that they now don’t know what consent is and what right vs. wrong is. That’s not how a human mind works. People can understand motives, morality, and relationships.

I doubt what I said will change your mind. That’s ok, since people will always have things that bother them. But, people who like the scene or who do not get offended by it are not rape apologists and are not defending rape in any form. I am a female feminist myself and consider myself on the side of love and justice. I personally have friends who have been victims of sexual assault and its absolutely tragic.

However, you brushed over the context and feelings that people, like me, can see from this scene/from the show and were very quick to instead call rape and state that I am trying to confuse women/girls on the meaning of consent and perpetuating rape culture.

No.

Having your opinion is fine, but taking this scene and oversensationalizing it and people who like it/don’t find a problem with it is, in my opinion, demeaning to other fans who are more intelligent then you make them out to be.

Thank you.

HOLY HELL PEOPLE

sneferie:

cosmicrabbit:

I usually don’t get involved with the arguments that MAKE UP this fandom but here I go.

To the people saying that the kiss was involved with rape culture and that it was creepy…I just completely disagree.

People complained about that damn kiss when she was drunk in the original content and in…

Yeah this is ignorant, sorry. It doesn’t matter that she had a crush on him, that’s not consent to kissing. Ethically, legally, you CANNOT consent to something like that when you’re drunk or asleep. I don’t give a shit if it makes you sad or uncomfortable to admit that a scene in SM is rapey, but it fucking is.

I still love the show and the manga, but call a spade a spade. It was sexual assault. And you and other fans denying that is perpetuating rape culture and lying about what consent really means. Do you really want to be part of the reason women and girls don’t understand what consent means? Stop it, seriously.

It’s not that I am “sad and uncomfortable” to admit to something, but that I simply disagree with you. I am saying is that this was an innocent sign of affection from a character and people are turning it into something it’s not.

HOLY HELL PEOPLE

I usually don’t get involved with the arguments that MAKE UP this fandom but here I go.

To the people saying that the kiss was involved with rape culture and that it was creepy…I just completely disagree.

People complained about that damn kiss when she was drunk in the original content and in crystal they took out the alcohol component and people still have an issue with it. People are saying that it was without her consent.

Dude, we all know that usagi has been crushing on tuxedo mask since the moment she saw him. We all know that tuxedo mask and sailor moon can literally feel the connection they both had to each other from their past through touch alone. Remember when sailor moon was able to receive her new tiara by just REMEMBERING his touch?!

So the kiss scene. Before he kissed her that was such a HUGE moment for tuxedo mask because that’s when he put it all together. He realized that sailor moon was the princess at the ball and that the handkerchief he picked up belonged to usagi. And since she has been his crush he’s super excited! And he knows she’s into him because of their dance and usagi saying that she was “just thinking about him”.

So when he goes over to her and touches her face - even in her sleep she can feel his familiar warmth. And in her subconscious, recognizing him, she moans and leans into his hand - literally reaching out for him and craving more of his touch.

He sees that and feels that as well. So he kisses her mouth because he is so happy that he knows who she is; he kisses her because he thinks she’s such an interesting and amazing woman; he kisses her because he knows he will always come to her rescue to keep her safe; he kisses her because he feels some kind of connection he can’t explain and one of the ONLY relationship connections he’s ever had in his life because he has had such a LONELY life so far.

Damn, I don’t find that creepy at all. That’s fucking romance my friends. But I’m so over some of the people in this fandom so whatever.

Can we also all agree that sailor moon is one of the biggest FEMINIST animes?! Sailor moon is NOT a defender of rape culture!!!!!!!

Always re blog damnit